UPDATE Below :: There IS a Difference Between Disagreement and Demonetization
Nearly a year ago I picked up my Sunday, May 31, 2009, Times-Standard newspaper and began reading. In time I came to the the Dave Stancliff “As It Stands” weekly article. This week he was telling everyone who and what he says is an Internet Toll -
Trolls Exposed: What kind of troll is disrupting your online community? (Dave Stancliff/For the Times-Standard - Posted: 05/31/2009 01:27:12 AM PDT)
Right at the start he was telling people what to do and what not to do, “Don't feed the trolls.” That's what the "Thought Police" do.
That wasn't the first so-called “opinion” diatribe from Stancliff that I'd read in the Times-Standard nor, unfortunately the last. It was, however, the one where he stepped over the line and required a Report observation. The Report posted:
Trolls versus The Thought Police. Stancliff took what I wrote personal, and has tried to make it personal ever since. Frankly, I don't know the guy fram Adam and could care less who he thinks he is. He put it out for everyone to read. No one at the Report asked him publicly express his simpleminded worthless "opinions."
The Report article started by saying:
It seems innocent enough -- the latest Dave Stancliff tirade against Internet TROLLS!
When you consider Dave Stancliff's response to this article you know without a shadow of a doubt, we touched a nerve. We exposed his hidden agenda.
At the conclusion the Report said the following:
All this foofaraw about trolls and the Thought Police might be funny except for on thing: Two Thousand years of Dark Age thinking. That World and religious empire ruled with such draconian contempt for humanity, one wonders how anyone survived until today. Today we have people only "accused" of thinking like "terrorists," held and tortured indefinitely, coupled with the deliberate annihilation of the civilian populations because "someone that might think like a terrorist" might be hiding somewhere within all that population. Anyone wonder where and how it all got started?
It got started with simpleminded people like Dave Stancliff and compatriot people that are willing to believe his kind of dogma and impose their thoughts on others all in the name of freedom.
Stancliff defines himself by who and what he is. What his opinions are publicly expressed make the definite statement about him, his character and integrity as a person, a man and a newspaper writer. Most people, as illustrated by his so-called “opinion” articles, hide their true character, their bigotry, prejudices, and their real agenda behind fancy, flowery words, all jumbled up in their prosaic discourses. He portrays himself sophisticated, intelligent, smart, exceptional, a person of good character and a man of experience and good integrity; his intentions are above question.
It took very little to expose his true nature for all to see. Notice the words above, “It got started with
simpleminded people
like Dave Stancliff” - that's all it took for him to do exactly what he was condemning in others. There are
ten comments at the base of that article that expose Dave Stancliff for exactly what he is. What the Report wrote about in that posting was NOT about "simpleminded" Dave Stancliff despite his assertions to the contrary. It was about his hidden agenda express by what he wrote.
Now comes his Sunday, April 11, 2010:
As It Stands: Tea Party Utopia: no taxes, no government -Ridiculing and demeaning these people and everyone that supports them by doing exactly what these kinds of people do and what he accused me of doing to him. They go right at the person or persons they believe are vulnerable to public ridicule and contempt with their insidious, personal accusations of hate, anger, racism, anti semantic, some sort of terrorist, and radical extremism as if they can read the minds and hearts of everyone that dares impugn what they say or think they stand for. Problem is, in this situation, Stancliff's doing it and being sanctioned to do it in the Times-Standard newspaper. Whatever he says in his personal blog by the same name, “As It Stands,” carries the same weight as what he writes in the newspaper.
Well, today, Saturday, April 17, 2010, amid all the earthquakes, the Joe Blow Report's heart was blessed with some little rays of sunlight producing JOY! It took Dave Stancliff going after the Tea Party movement to get Mr. Joshua Kinch's back up enough to write the article in:
My Word: A glib, belittling opinion on tea party - It seems there are others in this community that don't like being told what kind of people they are by the likes of a Dave Stancliff and the Times-Standard newspaper.
Unfortunately Mr. Kinch's litany of the Tea Party movement and why it exists gives Dave Stancliff far too much consideration for the status he's accused of occupying. Mr. Kinch ends his article, of which we totally agree, saying:
Light weights like Dave don't care to further the cause of social understanding, or intelligent dialogue. Like many shallow rooted celebrities in our shallow rooted mass media, he is content to make a living highlighting disagreement, or discord, while offering no substantial thoughts to further honest debate.
What Mr. Kinch says, while true at its essence, and based upon Stancliff's personal assaults upon the Joe Blow Report as demonstrated and those that support it, Dave Stancliff is ONLY about himself and his ongoing efforts to justify his legitimate right exist as an American Exceptionalist with the God-given right to dictate to and tell others how to think, what to believe and how to live. And if they don't agree or go along with what he wants, then they are free to wage undeclared war on them and anyone that has anything to do with them. Apparently, the Tea Party movement crossed the line and posed some sort of a threat – If only in his mind.
To conclude Stancliff says,
As It Stands, with the next presidential election coming up in 2012, not only do we face worldwide doomsday predictions from the ancient Mayans and a Russian mystic; now we must consider the possibility tea partiers might achieve their dream of no government at all.
When you consider that it is the purpose of the Excptionalist Elite through their Corporate Governement to wage war and enslave the common man, maybe the Tea Party folks are on to something, Dave Stancliff and his kind not withstanding.
Mr. Kinch and people like him are showing signs of getting this situation figured out. Personally, when they do, I wouldn't be in Dave Stancliff's shoes for all the tea in China.
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UPDATE :: Sunday, April 18, 2010
How can you express your opinion, make an observation or flat out disagree with someone when they try to pick a fight with you; accuse you of personally threatening, assaulting and attacking them as an individual when you do? What good are your First Amendment rights when for exercising them you are relegated to the pits of hell – demonized?
What you think, what you say and what you believe IS NOT THE SAME as who you are. There is a distinct difference. Yet the Dave Stancliff's of this world are totally unable to distinguish their thoughts, beliefs, essentially their dreams FROM their self-worth and moral integrity as an individual person. That is why Stancliff accuses me, the writer of this Report of personally “attacking” him. People that confuse what they think and believe from reality, who and what they are as a person, by definition, are deluded and paranoid.
Just as there is a difference between facts and opinions there is a difference between men and women. Respect for the legitimate rights of other individuals starts by allowing them to decide for themselves. In the example below, Stancliff tells all readers what he says the “facts” are, but nowhere does he produce the truth or evidence to define and justify what he says those facts are. He is demanding that everyone accept his opinions, thus justifying his inherent RIGHT to tell everyone HOW and WHAT to think and believe; what are fact and what are NOT facts. You can readily see by what he says below that it isn't just the writer of the Joe Blow Report that consumes his vitriol, it is everyone that he perceives as a threat; anyone that produces facts that he perceives as an assault on his personal credibility and integrity.
Read for yourself, Dave Stancliff and all those that support him are a far worse threat to the peaceful viability of this community then his wanton bullying threats to this writer and the Joe Blow Report. Just to set the record straight, the writer of this Report nor anyone associated with it personally knows Dave Stancliff or any of his family. We do not know what his political views or his religious beliefs are. What we know of him is what he writes in the paper, on his public blog and what he writes on my blogs. Neither are we affiliated with the Tea Party movement. Or, for that matter, personally know anyone that is. Nor do we personally know Joshua Kinch.
The following are two comments posted on this blog by Dave Stancliff. They speak for themselves.
1) Dave has left a new comment on your post "The Face of a Pompous Thug":
Sure did Joe,
You made an anonymous post and said "it raised the hair on your neck," when you read it.
Fact.
You are conducting a personal vendetta despite everything you claim.
Fact.
Look at the things you called me and tell me that they aren't an opinion on your part.
Fact.
The reason you seldom get anyone to comment here is because you attack them. Note, I'm the only one to respond to this post. Scroll down.
How many more posts have comments?
2) Dave has left a new comment on your post "A Lightweight Makes Heavyweight":
Don't be shy Joe. Go ahead and just subscribe to my blog.
As you are a regular reader of my newspaper column it should continue to provide you with things to atatck.
Read the comment section in the T-S The only one that agrees with you is your buddy Joshua who wrote the piece. You and he spend a lot of time attacking anyone that doesn't agree with you.
what fun it must be to attack people anonymously. See ya soon.
BTY - I hope your not threatening me when you say you "wouldn't want to be in my shoes."
The authorities frown at bad boys like you...
Be Wary of Energy Suckers!
Stancliff reacts this way because his life or legitimate right to exist in whatever form he wants or dreams up totally depends upon getting people to “agree” with him and submissively and meekly go along with whatever extreme desire he wants or imposes. His newspaper columns and blogs are merely tools to accomplish or fulfill his needs. So, kudos to Joshua Kinch for objecting. This is the behavior and conduct of an Energetic Vampire folks. So,
BEWARE!
Postscript:
By the way, one of the very few ways of defeating the psychic parasite is to oppose or object to their wants and demands; their personal judgments. You literally stand against them, you don't hang your head and acquiesce in silence. For those of you that might be interested, this is what Jesus meant when he said, “love your enemies.” - Luke 6:27, 35.
--Joe
